Hi,
It would be interresting to be able to change the pairing code, in order to pair the shm10 with Car GPS as Garmin, etc (pairing code : 1234 instead of 0000)
In fact motorcycles GPS are very expensive, and it's very hard to find a car GPS to pair with sena SHM10
Sorry for my poor English.
Greeting from France
Use a nuvi 265 on my bike and would like to marry it to my headset as well.
BTW great system.
I use a Garmin Nuvi 1390 and would very much like to pair it with the headset.
That capability is one of the reasons I bought the Sena unit.
I didn't know how specific it could be.
I like to see 1234 along with 0000 implemented. So that it will recognize GPS. Mine is Garmin Nuvi 765.
I cannot believe I bought this thing and it will not pair with a Garmin 1490LMT GPS, didn't they (Sena) do any research before they used a 0000 pairing code. I mean its Garmin for crying out loud, the biggest GPS maker in the world, and they didn't look to see if the SMH10 would link up. Go into the damn firmware and change the code already. I can't afford a new GPS and now I will not have nav help on my upcoming trip, I am so close to sending the Smh10 back to them.
Silverxrider maybe you should do the research. Garmin Zumos use the 1234 code. These are the ones designed for motorcycle use. As I stated above I also would like the 0000 so I can
use my nuvi 265 but don't blame Sena.
Only few GPS models support Bluetooth headsets. The 1234 code is the pin code that gives input to cell phone for pairing.
Please refer to the useful information in Garmin web site as follows,
I too would like to be able to set the the passcode on the sena via the desktop software (like other settings that can be changed in that software).
Seems to be a simple change. This would allow to pair a GPS as if it's a Phone (both protocols) even when the GPS has a hard coded paring code that can not be changed (the Nuvi 765T is such a device). SO, the 765T can be paired, but not with full capabilities because it requires 0000 as it's paring code.
Thanks, I do enjoy the SMH10!
Indeed. It is impossible to pair the widely used Garmin motorcycle GPSs as a phone (HFP). This is purely caused by the incompatibility of the pairing codes. I like the suggestion of being able to use the Sena Device Manager software to change the pairing code, should the user so choose. It would be nice to see this capability added to both the SMH10, as well as the SR10. This does seem like it should be any easy modification via the Device Manager software. Garmin is one of the most widely used motorcycle GPS units out there, and Sena is probably the best motorcycle bluetooth intercoms on the market. It would be nice to see them play well together.
We do not recommend GPS device intended for automobile to be used with SMH10, since its functionalities were not designed around motorcycle use.
From our experience with other in-vehicle GPS models, they do not support several key features which are crucial for motorcycle use as such as Handfree Gateway and HFP connection to headset. We recommend using GPS models that are specifically designed for motorcycle use as such as ZUMO 550/660 and TomTom Rider which have been tested with SMH10 for compatibility. On our website, we have several demonstration videos showing these motorcycle GPS devices working with SMH10. (Even matching the paring codes, it doesn't work if GPS doesn't support Headset profile)
Please refer to the below link to pair SMH10 & iphone with Zumo 660.
I also need the SMH5 to pair with my Garmin Nuvi - the position you assert here is invalid. A mobile GPS works perfectly on a motorcycle. There is no such thing as a nuvi "car GPS" - it is a "mobile GPS" - it is not dependant on a car. Garmin supports the GPS when it is used on a motorcycle but you do not. That is disturbing and is making me seriously rethink this purchase - this unit will need to go back to Amazon due to this invalid restriction, sorry.
Let me explain:
I posted here a year ago because I was as mad as everyone else that my Nuvi wouldn't do what I believed it should do with the Sena SMH10.
Convinced that Sena was just jerking us around I got mad and gave up. The recent messages and the new riding season have prompted me to dig a bit.
I have done some research and I will share this to try to explain what Sena has NOT explained well.
There are actually TWO kinds of Bluetooth functions that matter here: A.) Phone pairing B.) Headset pairing These two mechanisms are SEPARATE functions.
A.) Phone pairing is what MOST Garmins have for use in a car. It lets the phone mate with the GPS and the GPS becomes a 'speakerphone' for your cell phone. You talk to and listen to the GPS and your phone is 'handsfree'. Note that there're no earbuds or headset involved in phone pairing. You're just talking to a speakerphone using the GPS's microphone and speaker at a distance. Your Nuvi will still pair with your phone while on your motorcycle...but you won't be able to hear it like that, of course.
B.) Headset pairing is a function that uses Bluetooth to connect the GPS's audio (microphone/speaker) to your headset (the Sena unit) to let you hear it and speak voice commands(if VOX supported).
I did not know this either, but it's the important bit: Car GPSs DO NOT support the use of a headset because there's no need for that in a car.
THAT is the reason that there is such a thing as a Motorcycle specific GPS. Headset pairing has been built in to the MC devices. There are other MC features of course.
Now, we just need to get Garmin to make a less costly MC GPS. None of this is Sena's fault, guys. But they could've explained it better
Below is a list of Garmin devices that can be paired with a Bluetooth headset:
I hope I understood it correctly, and I HOPE that it was helpful.
Ricky-
Your information is both informative and insightful. Thanks for taking the time to do the write up. I think where the sticking point is in this matter is that you are only able to connect the Garmin to the Sena using the A2DP protocol (at least least that is my issue with the Zumo 660 :) ). That is because the Sena is looking for a "0000" pin, and the Garmin uses a "1234" pin to connect to HFP. By forcing users to connect their Garmin devices via A2DP, the possibility of connecting a bluetooth audio device (i.e. iPhone Music, Ipod, etc.) is now out of the picture. I understand that music can be loaded and played from the Garmin, but it requires much more user interaction with the nav unit. Simply telling Siri which artist to play is much safer and easier with one tap of the Sena Phone button. So, if there were a way to modify which pin code was used for pairing, the user could decide whether they wanted to connect via HFP or A2DP, thus opening up new connection possibilities. That is my understanding of how these devices are communicating. I could be totally wrong :)
Robert, I should have been more specific as to my message. There appear to be two completely different issues being discussed, causing more confusion. What I wrote was actually to address the
"Nuvi problem" which is to say, the issue that owners of Automotive Garmins (Nuvis) face: no audio from the GPS to the SMH10. This happens not because "Sena won't allow it" but because the Car unit doesn't output that signal. Even if you could alter the pairing code, the car GPS does not output its audio over bluetooth.
There are a few Nuvis in the list above that DO support headphones And phones, but not at the same time...Again, Garmin's build, not Sena's and not due to pairing codes.
A workaround that I was going to try was to use a generic BT adapter in the headphone plug of the Nuvi...now I just need to find a Nuvi that HAS a headphone plug!...
I was aiming to inform Mr. Billings and others above who had the same misunderstanding that I had.
The other issue (Yours) is the
"Zumo problem" where you have a unit that does pair properly for the headset and the GPS but the issue is connectivity to additional audio devices. Depending on your other devices there may be solutions but I don't know as I dont yet have a Zumo. I do know that your 660 WILL work with the iphone and the SMH10 together as shown in this SENA video:
Please refer to the below link to pair SMH10 & iphone with Zumo 660. The key is that you pair the iPhone with the Garmin, NOT with the SMH10
Sorry for this late entry, I'm brand new to the forum and a Sena owner. I'm having problem connecting a zumo 660 to the new headset, admittedly this thread has so far been for a SMH10 and I've bought the SMH10R but assume it should work the same. Anyway, it just fails to connect, either as a headset or a phone. When I found this thread I assumed all might be revealed in the youtube video link above but I'm getting a youtube page saying this video is private. Can you help with either issue please?.
The hands free headset I'm trying to pair the SR10 with generates a random pairing code each time I attempt to pair. i need a way to change the pairing code on the SR10 to match the headset. Thats the whole point of the code, it makes the connection secure. If its a default code it defeats the purpose. A software desktop tool would suffice to enter the code.
Sena says: "We do not recommend GPS device intended for automobile to be used with SMH10, since its functionalities were not designed around motorcycle use."
So then it's safer that those of us that DO use a Garmin auto GPS while riding our bikes that we have no functionality at all with Sena. Really?
OMG, Never give us a CHOICE as to what functionality WE want. Hell, I'll sign a disclaimer and you'll never be any more liable than you would forcing us to use a motorcycle GPS.
Get rid of the lawyers and get some common sense, Sena!
Robert, please read my post above where I tried to clear up some of the confusion. I used to think that "bluetooth is bluetooth is bluetooth" I couldn't have been more wrong. There are literally dozens of profiles for BT functions and they aren't interchangeable. The issue with car GPS's is NOT the pairing code, it's the simple fact that most of the car units do not output anything over BT. They 'receive' BT from your phone to provide speakerphone functionality...but that doesn't provide headset communication. SENA does control what Garmin builds into a product. Sena can't 'pick up' a signal...that isn't being 'sent'.
People don't use headsets in cars...so car GPS's don't talk to headsets.
To further that thought... I actually DO use a car GPS on my motorcycle, WITH my SMH10 but it required a large workaround.
1.) My 1490 NUVI (which has HFP) has no BT audio out or even a headset jack. Here's what I did.
2.) I soldered in a 3.5 headset jack into the Nuvi.
3.) I bought a SENA SM10 BT hub.
4.) Using a cable, I connect the NUVI 's new headset jack to the SM10's aux-in jack.
5.) The SM10 converts that wired audio-in from the NUVI into an outgoing BT signal
6.) then the SMH10 headset which is paired with the SM10 lets me hear the NUVI's prompts.
7.) Simple.
@ajt520: This response is way past overdue but it is best for you update the firmware on your headset and to perform a "Factory Reset" on your SMH10R afterwards. Then try to pair the headset to the Zumo 660 again. On the SMH10R, put the headset into Phone Pairing mode and on the Zumo 660 select the Audio option in the Bluetooth settings to search for the SMH10R.
@Robert Beglau: You mentioned: "I think where the sticking point is in this matter is that you are only able to connect the Garmin to the Sena using the A2DP protocol (at least least that is my issue with the Zumo 660 :) ). "
When a Sena headset is put into Phone Pairing mode and paired to the Zumo 660 (specifically) under the Audio option in the Bluetooth settings, the Zumo 660 is using both the HFP and the A2DP protocols. The HFP protocol is used for giving directions and the A2DP protocol is used for listening to stereo audio. When pairing the Sena headset to the Zumo 660 in this manner, a pin code is not neccessary. A pin code on the Zumo 660 is only needed when you pair a phone to the GPS using the Phone option in the Bluetooth settings menu. The audio from a phone call through the Zumo 660 will also use the HFP Bluetooth protocol.
@Robert Gill: We do not recommend Garmin automotive GPS devices because most of those devices (excluding the Nuvi 765T, 775T, and 785T) cannot output the audio over Bluetooth since they cannot be paired with a Bluetooth headset. Additionally, automotive GPS devices can only can only be paired with a phone over Bluetooth and output the audio from a phone call or navigation directions from the built-in speakers.
Thank you, SENA, for (finally) responding. I do not understand why SENA does not have at *least* A WEEKLY presence around these forums.
Hi, just want to add a comment: I use a TomTom 720 with a Sena SMH5. Works great and is cheap!! You find a used 720 for less than 60 euro's. I did not manage to get Multipairing working, but I can connect as a headset. My phone is paired with the Sena and the TomTom is paired with the Sena at the same time. TomTom will not reconnect automatically, but keeping the Phonebutton on the Sena depressed for a few seconds starts the pairing and TomTom will recognise the Sena and pair automatically. So far I'm happy with this combination, although the screen is not bright enough for all circumstances.
Hope this helps you to get a cheap working solution with the Sena
Can you help me? I purchased a "Motorcycle easy-drive - easy go" GPS, but the sena20S does not appear to be compatible via Bluetooth, the GPS shows on its list that it has paired with the Sena20S, but the Sena does not appear to accept it.
Is there an upgrade available to enable the Sena to recognise the GPS.I have version 1.5.
Regards
Don
@Don Smith: Please do a Factory Reset on your 20S, you can refer to the User's Guide on how to perform it. After performing the Factory Reset, power it back on and place it into Mobile Phone Pairing mode, refer to the User's Guide, and search for it on your GPS device. Perform the necessary options on your GPS to pair it to the 20S.
