20s evo vs 30K
My wife & I have been using the SMH10 now for 7 yrs. Want to upgrade either to the 20S Evo or the 30K. Don't really need the mesh tech. but the price points are couple dollars apart. Which unit have you bought or would buy again, why? Thanks
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I've got both and I prefer the 20s Evo. The tech is more mature and less problematic. You can hold more intercom connections on the unit and if you order the new hd speakers for it there is an equalizer and significantly more volume. With the most current firmware upgrade and the Sena utility app on your phone makes accessing the functions easier than the SMH10. The only advantage to the 30k that I see is the mesh so if that is not an issue I would just go with the Evo.
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Ken, thanks that's what I was thinking. I'm also looking at the Cardo Freecom 4+. Very similar to the Evo but I like the JBL speakers and knowing that it's waterproof
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Sena is weatherproof along with the cardo. Waterproof means you can dunk it in water and it will still work. It's common for the terminology to be interchanged but it does have different meaning. I hear the cardo is a good unit but I like the big jog dial of the SMH10 and the 20s, especially with thick gloves on.
You should have good luck with either one.
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Ken Kimari thanks Ken I think you may have answered a question I recently posted, regarding the ease of use of the flat jog dials vs the lovely perfect SMH10 jog dial. If only Sena would go back to the SMH10 design, sometimes, new does not mean better... it only means different...
Oh and I bought a cardo... worst mistake I ever made. used 1 of the duo units once and threw both units in the garbage. I've been looking at getting a new sena, SMH10's are more expensive than a 10s I assumed because the big jog dial is a premium feature.... but if you say the 20s can be used with big gloves on... I'll look at something newer than the SMH10.
Thanks
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Hi David, Take a look at getting a refirbished 20s EVO from Sena. I have 2 and they have the same warranty as the new ones.
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Thanks Ken
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david which Cardo unit did you buy that you didn't like. I was thinking of buying the Cardo Freecom 4
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Hi Randall, I (Regret that I) bought the cardo packtalk bold duo £408 ($500). Used one unit one time, but throwing both away... complete and utter waste of money, I'm thinking of making a youtube video showing me destroying them as a warning to others. :)
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This is what I wrote in another post...
I should point out I made a HUGE mistake and bought a Cardo Packtalk bold, I know the buttons are the size of an ants finger and impossible to find wearing gloves but I thought voice commands would make it easy to use... boy was I wrong. Belch, yawn, sneeze, sing along to music and it would redial last number... once or twice and the guy on the other end laughed it off, 6 or 7 times and he was seriously annoyed... AND there appears to be no CANCEL voice command. Screaming "CANCEL, STOP YOU $%**^££$ piece of ^%$** " had no effect. The phone app worked 1 in every 5 times, it has no playlist option, occasionally the radio would come on and deafen me with static. twice it refused to turn on or respond until I had plugged it into the charger (even though it was fully charged).0 -
As far as I am concerned the SMH10 is the pinnacle of design, I do not think any other unit from any manufacturer (even Sena) has ever come close to being as perfect as that unit is for thick-gloved use. I think style has replaced practicality. I would absolutely love a unit with the SMH10 design, the latest version of bluetooth and the only features I need is to be able to pair with my phone and fellow riders/ passengers. I do not need voice commands, radio, camera, a phone app or mesh technology... I just need a unit that is practical, large buttons (fewer the better) and a large jog dial. A unit made for motorcyclists who ride through winter, with gloves so thick they're almost bulletproof :)
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Maybe Sena should make a "CLASSIC 10 LITE" unit. Bluetooth 5,able to connect with up to 7 other riders/ devices and shaped similarly to the SMH10. I'd happily pay a similar price to a unit with more features as a large jog dial is my number 1 priority.
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David - I think you would be comfortable with the jog dial of the 20s Evo. I've owned the SMH 10 original as well as the updatable one and although the 20s dial is more flat it works just fine with large gloves. Used it through a few winters now. The original smh 10 dial sticks out more which was good but the diameter of the 20s gives you a slightly bigger grip and the slots in the wheel allow me t to turn it easily with just one finger. The button placement is the same as with the SMH 10 so transition should be easy, plus having the features you described. BTW, the 7 rider connection is a daisy chain connection which is somewhat problematic if someone drops out, unlike the mesh design. (but has to have everyone using a mesh unit to work well)
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Thanks everyone, Since I'm use to the SMH10 I'll probably upgrade to the 10S or 20S evo. Both seem similar except for range and cost. $40 difference on Amazon for 2 units. Any communication will basically be used for bike to bike not much for group riding. Does anyone have experience with the actual range of either unit. The SMH10 says 900 meters but 450meters is a stretch.
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Hi Randall - My experience has been generally inside 400 meters for good connection. It is truly line of sight which affects range significantly. Curves, large trucks will cause brief cutoffs. I have been able to get 900 meters but only on flat open terrain with nothing in between. If you are daisy chaining with a number of other riders the range between front rider and rear rider can be quite large as each unit only has to maintain connection with the rider ahead and behind them
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Thanks Ken, I have found some new SMH10's on ebay but I will buy a single 20s evo (we don't have refurbished in England), I expect it will be almost as easy as the SMH10's and if my sausage-sized gorilla fingers can operate it, I'll buy a second one, if not I can always buy a new SMH10 and put the 20s evo on the pillion helmet.
Randall, I think range is affected by interference and I've had 750 Metre connections with the SMH10's but at other times connection has broken after 400 Metres so I guess it depends what is about that can cause interference. Not too much of a problem for me, my friends all have a minimum 25 years riding and we ride in a fast tight formation and the only times range has been a factor is when we head in different directions at the end of the day. But in every day usage, most manufacturers will claim the absolute Maximum distance in the most perfect scenario as the UP-TO distance but I tend to feel that realistically in every day use anything over 40% of that is acceptable to me although I find reviews with around 65% to 80%.
I'm glad you dismissed the Cardo, Randall I just watched a review of the 20s evo controls and it reminded me of the other Cardo problems... on the cardo you can select 4 speed dial numbers but you can only call the top number , why there are 4 speed dial numbers I do not know, but the 20s can call speed dial 1 or 2 or 3 and in tests, the Cardo range is 10 to 15% less than the comparable sena unit.Also I wrote a very long complaint to Cardo (well I am $500 out of pocket) and they didn't even reply.
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